"Wagon Wheel" - Yes or No?

Should recordings of "Wagon Wheel" be considered "Dylan covers"?

YES
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50%
NO
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MAYBE (explain)
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13%
 
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Dave P.

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Post Fri May 16, 2008 12:39 pm

"Wagon Wheel" - Yes or No?

I often get submissions of "Wagon Wheel," but I do not consider it a "Dylan cover" despite the co-credit. To me, any further recordings of the song are OCMS covers. Most of the lyrics, and the new title, were added by Old Crow Medicine Show (OCMS), only the chorus and basic arrangement are derived from Bob's unreleased recording of "Rock Me Momma," itself based on Crudup's blues.
To me, a "Dylan cover" should be a recording of Bob Dylan's music & lyrics, not just based on some incidental copyright.
There are likely other songs in the database that should not be there for similar reasons, "Well Well Well" for example, but the stories behind them are not so clear. Besides, two wrongs don't make a right!!

So, what's the concensus, should "Wagon Wheel" be listed in the DataBase as a "Dylan cover"? (Vote is non-binding, I am unlikely to change my mind :P )
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Post Fri May 16, 2008 3:47 pm

There is also Rock Me Mama recorded by Jason Webley, and credited solely to Bob Dylan.
There is a definite Dylan connection, so why not, yes.

Another example would be Ballad Of Easy Rider credited to McGuinn, but Dylan did write the first two lines.
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Post Fri May 16, 2008 3:58 pm

Don't know the Jason Webley track, but would consider it more of a "Dylan cover" if it is closer to Dylan's recording than OCMS's Wagon Wheel.
If it just reverts to the original title but keeps OCMS's added verses, than no.
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Post Fri May 16, 2008 5:20 pm

Check your email, and judge for yourself.
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Post Sat May 17, 2008 12:01 am

Thanks very much.

Webley's version is certainly more of a "Dylan cover," using the original title and without all the verses added by OCMS.

K. Secor's own description can be found HERE
(unfortunately the mp3 links are no longer working)

Note that Secor writes "And I wrote the lyrics to the song because I loved the chorus so much and I sung it in my head for maybe a year straight, and then just penned what I penned, which is something of an autobiographical story"

I feel all of this proves my point that Wagon Wheel as performed by OCMS is not a Dylan cover, nor are all subsequent versions of the song using the OCMS verses.
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Post Sun May 18, 2008 1:08 am

This thread proves one thing:
This forum is truly dead.

Two votes, including mine?! :oops:

Maybe it's time to pull the plug...
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Post Sun May 18, 2008 10:03 pm

Dave P. wrote:This thread proves one thing:
This forum is truly dead.

Two votes, including mine?! :oops:

Maybe it's time to pull the plug...


Gotta agree with you. I guess it proves one thing : Dylan "fans" would rather talk about his jacket, his hair, his girlfiends, anything (ER, Dylanpool, etc.) than his songs/records/covers.
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 7:12 am

Ok, it's three votes now!

I voted 'Yes' but mainly because I download the song when I see it in a LMA song list. There's some others I sometimes download because Dylan played or recorded them. There's no system, it's just how I feel about the special song (one reason could be to think about covering it).

Well, that quote about 'Wagon Wheel' ("I loved the chorus so much and I sung it in my head for maybe a year straight") kinda makes it a Dylan song to me...

And yes, it's a sad thing that there's not more people around...I really like that forum and don't want to miss it - even if I don't post that often...
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 9:59 am

I agree, Wagon Wheel is a very good song, and I often listen to the LMA or cover versions.
But that doesn't make it a "Dylan cover"

If someone wrote all new verses, and ended each with "The answer my friend is Blowin' In The Wind," would subsequent versions of that be "Dylan covers"? Not to me.
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 10:46 am

Well, generally every song is actually a Dylan song, but not all musicians have already noticed... :mrgreen: :D :P :lol: 8)
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 11:17 am

another Wagon Wheel

Another Wagon Wheel:

Big Sky Stringband
http://www.archive.org/details/bss2008-02-09.sbd.flac

(Note: Slow Train is NOT Bob's)
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 1:18 pm

I voted “Maybe” because there is not the “Undecided” proposal. Indeed, I do not know what I must think on this subject. But this discussion on this subject interests me very much.

I do not know the version of Bob, Rock Me mama, and I cannot consequently compare these songs. But I must say that until you ask this question, Dave, I was sure that Wagon Wheel was a song of Bob. Perhaps because it resembles to Bob, to his musical quality.

I knew that the text of this song was not entirely by Bob but I thought that behind this lively, throbbing melody, there was surely this great composer.

Also, WW is in my list of songs of Bob since always. I have two lists of songs, one for those of Bob and another for those Bob Dylan covered.

Now I am not sure that I must preserve WW in my first list.

In addition Dave, this forum did not die. It is all the opposite, in fact. I am sure that it is consulted on a regular basis for everyone. But it is not always easy to intervene. It is necessary to have time, it is necessary to have things to say. We all are interested I believe by all information which can circulate there but, once again, it is not always easy to intervene. Me, for example, my English language is not very good. And when I make a message, I need much time to prepare it in English.

But, please, be sure that this forum is highly appreciated. Thank you for that, and thank you with all those which take part in these discussions. Actively or passively.

Jean
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 3:06 pm

I agree with all that Jean thinks about this forum!!!
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Post Wed May 21, 2008 4:57 pm

Good to know some of you still enjoy this forum and/or find it useful, but after 9 months on-line I doubt it will ever "catch on" and be more active. I was encouraged by the initial reaction but it was short-lived. Only 32 have registered (excluding myself,) not a big number but enough to be interesting IF most were active. But only 5 people have posted more than 5 times, and 21 of the 32 have never posted or only once. I have tried to limit my own participation in hopes of encouraging others to start topics.

For now there is no cost or harm in leaving it on-line, but I will not continue it if it ceases to be a free service. Please note that all the added advertising supports the forum provider, not DylanCover.com.
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Post Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:38 am

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